WHATS'S LOVE GOT TO DO WITH IT? Part 1C

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Deborah: Okay, then we all point out that in context this clarifies the other precept upon precept line upon line issue if read in the context of: Isaiah Chapter 9 v6 where the first half of the verse reads:

YaaziYAHu: For to us a child (a son) is born, to us a son is given, …

HBI Female: So what you saying?

Deborah: The colonizer English word “is”, the definition means, a form of the present, it does not mean the future birth of a baby in the Greek Testament, who to our knowledge, oddly to this day holds no solid recorded from, – a living at that time witness-, for him and none can determine a specific birth year. . . it’s a guess if it’s around the 1st century CE (Common Era), 2nd century CE (Common Era) those that research my find most may hold to this time (still a guess though), or maybe the 4th century CE (Common Era) for the one you call Jesus, Yeshua or Yesu?

Jesus Is Buried

HBI Male: Jesus died for our sin; that is what I know!

Deborah: We do not agree, as there are many contradictions conflicts in our reading of the whole book (including the Greek Testament, you call the New Testament), in context and our archival research beyond the book that lead us to our conclusions.

HBI Male: Such as?

Deborah: Such as a man from a place called Arimathea and that place never existed until the writings of the unknown author of Mark in chapter 15:42-46

YaaziYAHu: Mar 15:42  And when evening had come since it was the day of Preparation, that is, the day before the Sabbath,

Mar 15:43  Joseph of Arimathaea, a respected member of the Council(aka Sanhedrin), who was also himself looking for the kingdom or reign of YAHUAH, took courage and went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. Mar 15:44  Pilate was surprised to hear that he should have already died. And summoning the centurion, he asked him whether he was already dead. Mar 15:45  And when he learned from the centurion that he was dead, he granted the corpse to Joseph. Mar 15:46  And Joseph bought a linen shroud, and taking him down, wrapped him in the linen shroud and laid him in a tomb that had been cut out of the rock. And he rolled a stone against the entrance of the tomb.

Religion Fanatic: Was this in the book?

Deborah: notice it states and how he took your Jesus off the beam after death and wrapped him, where the unknown author of John reads in chapter 19:38-42

YaaziYAHu: Joh 19:38  After these things Joseph of Arimathea, who was a disciple of Jesus, but secretly for fear of the Judeans, asked Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus, and Pilate gave him permission. So he came and took away his body. Joh 19:39  Nicodemus also, who earlier had come to Jesus by night, came bringing a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about seventy-five pounds in weight. Joh 19:40  So they took the body of Jesus and bound it in linen cloths with the spices, as is the burial custom of the Jews. Joh 19:41  Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden and in the garden a new tomb in which no one had yet been laid. Joh 19:42  So because of the Judeans day of Preparation, since the tomb was close at hand, they laid Jesus there.

Deborah: notice it reads he added spices… notice any contradictions yet for what you know about the supposed Jesus’ death.

HBI Male: What!? NO!! What’s the contradiction?

Deborah:  Ohh, that is definitely for another topic; lets’s pick up from where we last left off at.

HBI Male: Ok, OK… So… once the males Christed or messiahed, anointed, as you all pointed out, their completely nude bodies, so it will please at least one deity, who was a well-known great one at that time, who was born of a virgin birth by way of a human female and deity father, Then, who are you’ll talkin’ about?!! If Not Jesus

Deborah: For this conversation the deity we are talking about, that was religiously, announced, born of a virgin, is… Hera-cles aka Hercules.

HBI Male: Awww, Come on now! The dude from comic books, TV, and Movies!?

Deborah:  We do not agree. The dude from comic books? Ohh Yes, we recognize that since the late 1970 Jesus, Yeshua or Yesu has comic books, those claimed fully versed in the Greek New Testament readings are those whom are Christian or Catholic, who still follow pagan festivals, and many of these same Religions or those similar followers, gather together to watch TV (aka Telling them what they are to in-Vision aka Tell a Vision) shows and movies about Jesus, Yeshua or Yesu, in theaters.

HBI Male: Nahh!!, {upset} I am refereeing to Hercules!

AUDIENCE: Laugh

Deborah: Ohhhh, Yeahhhh, the other dude, Hercules, true, true… That deity does have books that were written also, which was a part of Ancient Greek religious followings of that time period. The presented Male deity (Hercules) was one of the deity protectors called upon or prayed to, that the male athletes showed their L o v e (love)  and devotion to while in the Ancient Greece Gymnasium, while religiously anointing themselves with no clothes on so everyone and their deity can see. 

AUDIENCE: eww

HBI Male: This is horrible

Deborah: This is religion, one cannot force their beliefs, points of view on others, we are only presenting this info, humans make their own life decisions on what they choose to follow. During those eras, all was not agreed upon about the love for these deities. Two examples, for those that support/follow the apocryphal book of the Maccabees, this struggle is seen there, showing that there was the issue about the Gymnasium during the 2nd century BC when the Greeks were enforcing conversions to their Religious way of life for the L o v e (love) of their deities:

YaaziYahuKJV B-i-b-l-e’s 1st Maccabees 1:14 “Whereupon they built a place of exercise at Jerusalem according to the customs of the heathen:” And  KJV B-i-b-l-e’s 2 Maccabees 4:9

Besides this, he promised to assign a hundred and fifty more, if he might have license to set him up a place for exercise, and for the training up of youth in the fashions of the heathen, and to write them of Jerusalem by the name of Antiochians.

HBI Male: Okay, well, besides what I mentioned earlier about 1st Timothy 4:8, this pagan word is not an issue during the time of Jesus.

Deborah: The word Gymnasium? As a whole,… maybe not,… but Paul as referred to in the English colonizer Greek Testament, made fig-ur-active expressions to this

HBI Male: Nah, I would have noticed, where?

Deborah: We’ll refer to just one for starters: 1 Corinthians 9:24 

YaaziYahu: Do you not know that those who run in a race indeed all run, but one receives the prize? Run in such a way as to obtain it.  1 Corinthians 9:25 And every man who competes (aka striveth) in the games exercises (aka mastery) self-controls (aka temperate) himself in every way. Now they do it to receive a perishable wreath (aka corruptible crown), but we an incorruptible. 

For The Love of Eros

Deborah: If noticed, this is how the Ancient Greeks began their Gymnasium: starting in 776 BC, the first event was the foot race as Paul referred to as “those who runs in a race” and the winner received!!!! An olive wreath and red ribbons.

HBI Male: O k a y, all of this from deity name Eros?

Deborah: Yep the Deity of sexual confusion, in which under the Latin some know as that cute chubby baby or young one with the wings named Amor or better yet the deity symbolism of Valentine’s Day itself, named Cupid.

HBI Male: What!?

Deborah: Yep, the same deity of Love, under different images…held greatly from Plato to Aristotle.  This opens the door to taking a word like Eros and bringing to light a Greek understanding of love to conform to what the churches have taught is of great importance to be one of the popular Greek words to remember.

HBI Male: Which word!?

Deborah: Agape, was introduced as a redemptive love, shown in the supposed person and supposed works of Jesus the Christ / HaMashiach / Messiah.

HBI Male: I never saw Eros in the Greek Testament!

Deborah: Yep, we agree, even though it seems to present or show that agape was not a particularly significant part of the Lexicons, classical Greek religious and philosophical vocabulary associated to their definition of love!!!, We can only guess…

HBI Male: Guess!!!

Deborah: Yes, guess, surmise, suppose that the writers of the Greek New Testament were uncomfortable in their choice of vocabulary, to convince many to follow a Greek Testament B-i-b-l-e type religion, agape was in and the term Eros was out.

Why?

Deborah: Again, we restate, guess, that is the truth because the data that all can research, shows there is a clear connection between eros and agape… but eros with all of its sexual confusing, and historical connections needed to be separated from those who would remember what eros meant and would be more accepting to the Greek word agape.  Agape’s connection to love in the Greek Testament changed the common Greek language usage; forgetting all about “what’s eros’ meaning of love got to do with anything”.  After time and presentation, the core meaning Agape, for what the Greek testament followers were looking for, which was the affection of persons to one another, Jesus (Yeshuah, YESU), the HaMashiach, the Christ, the Messiah’s affection to persons, and persons’ affection to Jesus (Yeshuah, YESU), the so-called HaMashiach, the Christ, the so-called Messiah.

HBI Male: So, there is a disconnect from what we say in English, and what was the original intent for L o v e (love)?

Deborah: We agree, but many, we have come across, state “it does not matter”, the ancestral/ past/original information, that would bring one to the true intent of a word, or words or passages for that time, as it fits with the culture behind it, we are told by family, friends, colleagues, religious leaders that this is not important. We want to again make it clear, that we do not support telling others if you have not learned indigenous Hebrew or some say  B I B L E Hebrew, or the like, that you are failing.  This you will not hear from us, We are sure you or most have heard, sets of religions teaching, do not pay attention to the origins of words and just focus only on the English language from the translation or translations they are teaching you, the trick from our perspective (please research to find your perspective, not Religions perspective), and again the trick from our perspective or viewpoint comes when the Religious places one goes to teaches, stick with the doctrine or their doctrine of precept upon precept, line upon line, and the Religious places state for it is the infallible Word of their g.o.d, and they teach Do not look outside of their Religion for answers come to them and ignore outside information that we see as more helpful such as portions of anthropology. Anyway, As we look at this topic of L O V E love, Some are told within or through their Religious places of worship “Eros is a response to value.”…

HBI Male: Value? After all, that was broken down!

Vaule

Deborah: Now let’s slow down for this last verse we going to read in this chapter, to show that a sign is given to the human or humans so they can see it.

YaaziYAHu: Isa 7:16  For before the lad (the boy) knows to refuse (or reject) the bad and choose the good, the ground (the land) whose two kings you (King Achaz)  dread (aka fear aka worry about), will be left abandoned (rejected, deserted).

Deborah: So in summery v16 YAH is giving King Achaz a sign, while he is alive to deal with the issues written in Isaiah chapter 7 versus 4-6, what is the point of a sign promised from YAH if your dead and never saw it happened when YAH is talking to you?

HBI Male: Hmmfff, Says you all!

Deborah: If you read from Isaiah chapter 7 to the end of chapter 9, is this not the sign.

HBI Male: Again says you all! Not even going there with you all.

YaaziYAHu: Holdon Holdon Holdon, who you Ramp with, We always stated Research, remove religion, for your own understanding, it is not if we say so.  On a general bases, Religions such as Catholicism (who, those that follow this, generally rely upon the sacrament or liturgical way of receiving the scriptures from the ordained higher ups), and they birth the Protestant religion Christianity in which they and the religion Hebrew Israelites are ready to let any one know that they read not a B I B L E but THE B I B L E and interestingly all follow the general theology that the original testaments which most (again we want to point out this is about most not ALL), do not argue, are the first 39 books (NOT the Greek Testament, coined the New Testament by colonizers), were primarily aka mostly written in indigenize Hebrew, no arguments from our knowledge within that space just mentioned.  And the word translation all over the B I B L E’s that are given out in religious spaces just mentioned, are stamped with the word translation (like the Geneva, Bishop, KJV, NIV, the Cepher, (the popular) ESV, CEV, NASB, RSV, CSB, NKJV, TS2009, NLV, MSG, TRB, RSB BYNV to name a few)… telling you (or maybe hidden in plain sight) that these books, as the word translation is defined …. Are rephrasing aka rewording, aka paraphrasing what they claim is the indigenize Hebrew, We never claimed that indigenize Hebrew that many may call B I B L E Hebrew was or is the origin, but if this is the space one wants to stay focused on then those who make these claims we hope hold to their proof that is their foundation.  What we understand is that the indigenize Hebrew, here in the America’s is a tool, again it must be repeated it is a tool, for those that want to use it, not that have to use it, or is being told they need to use it, because that is foolishness…let us be clear you will not get that from us.  Learning the indigenize Hebrew aka B I B LE Hebrew should never be a crutch one should put on another human,  one is born where they are born, read the version of the B I B L E you have and read it in its context, again in its c o  n  t  e x t.  If not then one will believe they awake but are far from being aware and fall into prideful traps of expectance, such as the now serving ninth term United States of North America’s House of Representatives, Missouri’s Fifth Congressional District, democrat Emanuel Cleaver the 2nd who said ———- and note he is still known as a United Methodist pastor (think he should now better that Amen is not English at all and does not connect to a meaning of  A Man).  This is a small example that they are changing the original words that someone else originally wrote …or…at least… the oldest agreed upon evidence of what someone wrote or said…. and presenting it differently… and so a translation for most can simply mean an English colonizers Eisegesis commentary. Again, this is not about what we say, lets continue now…

No Cap

No cap?

Are you trying to say No Lie or No Joke?

YEAH!

Okay then, No cap. We present 1 small example that we ask to research, which is the PEER-REVIEWED article named “Epistemic beliefs’ role in promoting misperceptions and conspiracist ideation” by R. Kelly Garrett ,Brian E. Weeks which talks about the manipulation of truth in America’s and why…and only ask, investigate the short information we presented and dig deeper on your own journey, past the churches and their pulpits aka ministries, past their religious restrictions, past your families religious, traditional restrictions and your theological or “Hierological”, religious hang-ups.  As this can be a deep hole, one can dig in to, while researching on this type of topic beyond our presentations, such as the word Eros the connection to Cupid, as it connects to Agape and so on.

Okay let us continue…